Sunday, September 18, 2005

What the church thinks of women

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11 comments:

breakerslion said...

1. I'm guessing that this facility is at the Vatican, and reserved for the "Holy Pee?"

2. That Holy Water goes right through you, you know.

3. You don't buy the sacramental blood-of-christ wine with your offerings, you just rent it.

Jesse Gritter said...
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Jesse Gritter said...

"Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her." (Eph. 5:25)

"Husbands, love your wives and do not be harsh with them." (Col. 3:19).

Perhaps the church has treated women poorly, but Jesus Christ would never approve of it. It's actually illogical, given the Christian position, for Christians to treat women poorly. On the atheist worldview, treating women like animals makes sense (women would be just evolutionary blobs of material stuff). The atheist cannot justify universal, invariant laws of morality by which we can know that treating women poorly is wrong.

The Necklace Lady said...

dear Christian Theist;

You obviously have not done your atheist homework. There are numerous writings on the moral values of atheists. Did you know that divorce is lowest among atheists and highest among Baptists? Amazing. I wouldn't have even guessed that one as an atheist.

Jesse Gritter said...

Hello, Necklace Lady.

Perhaps I didn't make myself clear. My argument is not that atheists don't have moral values. My argument is that they can't justify them as absolutely (universally, immutably) right. How does one know, from the atheist's point of view, who is right when two people or societies disagree over what is right and wrong? How can the atheist "know" that someone who disagrees with him/her is "wrong."

As for your claim about divorce rates, I may be willing to grant your claim if it can be empirically verified. By my question would be: how can the atheist justify either marriage OR divorce as something right or wrong given his/her beliefs about ethics, ontology, epistemology?

If by your claim about divorve rates you mean to propose that Baptists are not in a position to be able to speak any truth about morality, then you're arguing ad hominem, which is a logical fallacy.

The Necklace Lady said...

http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_dira.htm

Jesse Gritter said...

Thank-you for the link, Necklace Lady, but you didn't address any of my questions or points raised in my post here above.

Hellbound Alleee said...

Christian theist:

if you cannot find a reason to treat women well without using THE BIBLE, then you aren`t looking past the nost on the end of your face.

I don`t care if Jesus loved the church, whatever that means. The fictional character of Jesus thought everyone who wasn't an Israelite was like "dogs."

Jesus spoke for the old scripture. The old scripture which viewed women as vessals, just like the urinals we see in the picture.

The old scripture that said that if you raped a woman, your "punishment" was to marry her. The old scripture that said if a woman did not cry out during rape, they both are stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 22:23-27)

The old scripture that put monetary worth on those "piles of matter," men at sixty sheckels and women at fifty. (Leviticus 27:1-)

The old scripture from the "church" that Jesus so loved, that said that a woman on her period is "unclean," and everything she touches is "unclean," and that she has to make the priest an offering of pigeons or turtles in order to be "clean" again.

The Jesus beloved new scripture that says a woman's promise is null and void if her husband disapproves of it. (Numbers 30:12)

And finally, the old scripture that says women and girls are the spoils of war. (Deuteronomy 20:13-16)

Jesus was fond of doing commercials supporting this old scripture.

The cartoon character Jesus was not my friend. The cartoon character Jesus spoke for a theology that says that nature is corrupt, and we must fight against it, against the world. That's evil.

I'm sorry that you cannot deal with the fact that people and things are made of other things. How you come to the conclusion that being made of other things makes them worthless, I do not know, but it shows that it is you who thinks that people are worthless, not me. "Atheism" does not need to "justify" your beliefs. You're the one whose supposed to try and do that. Reality, however, already justifies the fact that you treat others well in order to live in the world.

The divorce rates are "empirically true and available all over the web, as is the proof that the prison population is full of nothing but theists. Christianity does neither make people do good, nor does it do much for advocating it. Too bad, eh?

Hellbound Alleee said...

An atheist can justify divorce or marriage easily. Marriage is a financial contract motivated by affection and divorce is an end to that contract. What's the problem with that? I don't see where religion comes into it.

I guess you see no inherent value in personal choice.

Hellbound Alleee said...

...unless it's filled with ghosts and spirits.

Rev. Barking Nonsequitor said...

I kind of wondering where this sculpture was displayed. You seem to find some intriguing pics for the blog. Almost beats the cross in a jar of piss!

And the lord said: "Blah, Blah, Blah, BlahBLahBLah. blah. blah blah." (BlahBlah. 15:34)

See - its not so hard.