Have a seat. Would you like some coffee, tea?
I asked you here today to discuss the fact that you deserve to be beaten, tortured, and humiliated. Your thoughts are crimes worthy of sexual humiliation and agonizing pain, for as long as the torturers can keep it up.
In fact, it's not just your thoughts. It's what your ancestors thought. Don't blame me; that's just how it is.
It's not my fault, you see, because, by thinking those thoughts, you have chosen to be branded with hot metal and repeatedly, brutally sodomized. You have said, through your thoughts and actions, that you want to be chained down on a splintery rack, stretched, and shat upon by rabid livestock, while buzzards peck out your eyes. You said, "hey, mister. Would you mind putting me in an episode of twilight zone, where I slowly go into a psychological horror, despair and despondency, never to receive comfort from another human being? That would be great." Hey--that was you talking. Not me.
But you can take it all back. You can escape from your shame. All you have to do is to agree with me, and your unforgiveable thought-crimes will be erased. Admit that your thoughts are vile, and that you are vile, and that you deserve to sit in a hot tub full of feces and vomit, and handed a large spoon, and you will escape the fate of someone peeling your skin off and forcing you into an iodone and lime juice shower.
But the best part of all this, is if you admit you deserve to slide down a giant razor blade into a pond full of pirhana and Amazon Urethra fish, you will be able to hang out with me. Isn't that great? What good news that is!
Now, aren't you glad we could have this talk? If more people realized that people as different as we can have a civil exchange of ideas, we wouldn't be having these problems. I just wish that the other people, the ones like you, weren't so unreasonably hostile.
Thanks for listening.
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Now this is just awesome. I had to post about it, because I love it so much!
My Post about "A Civil Discussion"
Alleee,
Tremendous work.
With respect to hell, I just loved what Richard Carrier said during the movie The God Who Wasn't There. Brian Flemming asked Carrier if he would be regretful if, when he died, he ended up in the Christian hell. Carrier said not at all; indeed, the Christian heaven would be a true hell for him. He pointed out that, if he knew billions of people were suffering agonizing torture for all eternity, and he couldn't do a thing about it while sitting up in heaven, that would be the worst afterlife he could imagine.
The very concept of hell demonstrates the inherent immorality of Christianity. No virtuous religion would envision a place filled with agonizing tortures and horrendous suffering. Envisioning such a place seems downright psychopathic.
Thank you.
But my intent when I conceived of this post is in the title: "A Civil Discussion." I was inspired by Stefan Molyneux' recent podcast about discussing war with pro-war individuals. If they really think you should be shot, what more do you have to talk about? "Get out of my house," as he said.
When you have a discussion with a Christian, they often demand civility from you while firmly believing that your deserving of hell is wholly just.
I recall a discussion we had with Matt Slick and Derek Sansone. After the discussion, Matt Slick said he was so impressed that an atheist could be so civil, unlike others who will remain nameless.
So when we all talk about being civil and facilitating dialogue, we shoud remember this, After all, would they tolerate it if you said this to them?
Well it may seem like God upstairs
Ain't been listening to my prayers
And the things I see ahappenin' make me cry,
But all those tears turn into glee...
A Traditional Spiritual
A little off-topic, but I absolutely love the pictures you use. They absolutely make the posts more poignant.
Brob: "Why is it that we are all aware of detailed, lurid, descriptions of Hell, but only very simplistic descriptions of Heaven?"
I think that's because there cannot ever be a non-simplistic description of Heaven. As soon as you try to analyse it in any depth, the concept disappears in a puff of logic.
Hey Godboy... if this is Hell, then whatever happened to the eternal torment part ? It seems to me like making that point means you think "Jesus" was a liar.
If Christianity is about not being on Earth then it seems to me you have a very dim view of human existence. Then again, you *are* a Christian.
This will have to go in another entry. My comments for mdtomn will appear in Sunday's entry.
So, mdtomn, you're not off the hook, mister.
It doesn't matter how I feel about any one particular religious leader. I don't believe in anything supernatural, and I suppose they did. I don't know.
I suppose you could be called a Christian, but I don't see why you would have a favorable view of mainstream protestantism. What you are describing goes against these religions.
I don't think you understand when you say you are "letting us all know" that there is a thing that is "out there" that you believe in. I certainly know that extremely well, that people believe all sorts of strange things, with little rhyme or reason. But if you can't be specific about what you believe and why, I simply can't take it to heart. You say it exists but you don't define it. No reason to believe it.
There is no reason to believe that anything supernatural takes place anywhere. People die. When I say die, I mean cease to exist. That does not mean that there is black, or there is another place, or that there is any kind of a "you" that exists. This is fine with me, although I have so much fun and appreciation for life that I wish I could exist for a lot longer than I probably will.
When you realize this, you MUST start seeking personal appreciation for the Good. This is not a game, and this is not a dress rehearsal. You're on stage NOW. The best part of all this is that there is no one floating above you monitoring your thoughts and your sex life. Look up. Is there anyone there? No? There's your answer.
I was going to say it bloody well doesn't make sense to call oneself a Christian when one doesn't agree with what Jesus says in scripture. If one doesn't believe that scripture is actually reflective of a Christ, then one is batty and has made up a Christ out of wholecloth. So why the hell worship someone that one knows nothing about? You don't know what he said (if he even existed), or did--that's just screwed up. What if he, I don't know, believed in eternal torment and that the end of the world would result in all non-believers burning in a Lake of Fire? That's what the gospels say. You wouldn't want to follow a crwzy, evil person like that. I suggest one stop immediately before one's moral autonomy completely disappears.
I can`t ag ree with the statement "what you believe is beautiful and right for you." I promote non-belief because belief is bad for people. It causes us to abandon our moral standards and rationality. Remember: we believe because the facts don't support our hypothesis. We waste our time, we commit acts based on falsehoods, we spread falsehoods to others, we sacrifice the good for the false, and worst of all, we have to constantly justify falsehoods and immorality--if not to others, to ourselves. It's not a good way to live. Especially when we think we can live after death.
That`s a good point, jhuger. Because there's no such thing as a "non-physical experience." How can an experience be non-physical? If there were, just exactly how does one figure out that it's non-physical? Using...
the senses?
As Franc said, "I sense something that's beyond the senses!"
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