More Christian Moral Subjectivity--and abuse.

Debunking Christianity has a really moving piece, called

The Problem of Paranoid Schizophrenia and a Good God.

A letter by a recovered paranoid schizophrenic illustrated how his Christianity only added (a great deal) to the pain he suffered.

Just as one should expect, a stupid amoral christian, calling himself "anonymous," chimed in. I hope the guy never has to read his response to him.

Edited to add: He did, he responded, and he ripped him a couple of new ones. Good job.

I had to respond, because I'm a loudmouth. Here's what I said, with thanks to Debunking Christianity:

At 5:51 PM, June 16, 2006, Hellbound Alleee said...

"You are an atheist. In such a world, there are only brute facts which are ruled by chance. There is no intent, design, purpose, or evil in the world. There is just a cold, empty universe that will one day die out. You are outraged at God for not giving you help when you felt that you needed it, but you are making a moral pronoucement that carries no weight given your assumptions about the world. All moral judgements are just subjective, personal pronoucements and let's face it: In such a world as atheism, what does it matter if we kill, murder, and hate? We are just another animal aren't we?"

Comments like this are exactly what keeps me fighting every day to promote the morality of individualism. Christians like this can only see the world in terms of a Warner Brothers cartoon. These kind of people want to beat you down and take away your moral autonomy. Don't ever let them get away with it. You are an individial, and your thoughts are not monitored by any being.

You are an atheist. In such a world, there are only brute facts which are ruled by chance. There is no intent, design, purpose, or evil in the world.

This statement illustrates the judgement of the world, life, and nature by morally subjective Christians. It is a straw man argument. This is what he believes about the world, not me, not anyone I know with any sense. Facts cannot be "brute." That is his judgement, not mine. As far as "no intent or design in the world," well, that is nonsense. Has he never seen a painting, or heard a song? Marveled at a building, or a beautiful suit? No design, indeed. Here he attempts to trick you into thinking that without a God, you have nothing. Don't accept the lie. You have other people. Your values. The things and people you love.

All moral judgements are just subjective, personal pronoucements and let's face it: In such a world as atheism, what does it matter if we kill, murder, and hate?

Again, this is what he believes. We don't have to. What kind of a person cannot find any earthly, factual reason not to kill and hate? If he seriously doesn't know why he shouldn't hate, save for going to hell, then he apparently needs to learn a few facts about his religion. I'd like to ask "Anonymous" (coward): What penalties would you, as a christian, pay for murder?

Think about it for a second.

He would, of course, have no penalties at all. He has no moral incentive. However, he wants you to forget something called "the world." In the world, every action causes another action. If you murdered someone, would everyone else you live with simply ignore it? Conversely, if there is no earthly, factual reason not to murder, there is also no reason not to allow yourself to be murdered. Anonymous: again: I want to ask you--is there any reason why I shouldn't kill you? If you can't think of any reason you wouldn't enjoy being raped, dismembered, or murdered, you are worse off than I thought. Can anyone else think of any earthly, non-religious reason why you would not want to be raped, disemboweled, and murdered? How about your children? This is why morality is not simply a matter of belief. You are not imprisoned in the subjective judgements of christian belief.

It's called cause and effect. You wouldn't have morality without it. And you can't have morality if a being interferes with cause and effect, such as a God. There is no morality in christianity, because there is no making moral choices. There is only obey through fear.

Enjoy your autonomy.